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CWP, LS, and IOPS

When I took the initiative for the Common Website Project, part of my motivation was that IOPS needed better software for its website, but that it would be a pity to undertake the necessary effort just for IOPS alone. IOPS could become one of the participating groups finding a home at the common website. In the picture visualizing the concept in the initial CWP discussion forum, in unit 12, you will find a blue blob labelled “Iopsia”. This represented an area set aside for IOPS.

In the present discussion in IOPS around the question whether to go on or give up, Peter suggested that “maybe we should just advise any remaining IOPSers wanting to chat to move over to Alex’ Liquid Solidarity website and be done with it.”

If the IOPS membership (rather, the few members still having an interest) decides to continue the IOPS project, they’ll need a better website. As envisaged, the LS website will offer all the functionality of the IOPS site plus more. If the LS software is sufficiently developed, IOPS could migrate wholesale to LS by transferring the existing content (with some non-trivial but doable data conversion).

Assuming we’re able to do that – the current system is not ready for this – the question arises whether we’d want this. Or should we require that IOPS members explicitly opt for their profiles being copied to here?

I’ve been low key on advertizing the CWP and LS at the IOPS fora, although I’ve hinted at it. But now several members have stated that they are willing to work on improving the website software. Should we invite them here? Should we advertize LS more openly there? We could also attempt to raise interest among the members of the old IOPS Website Team.

iopsia and beyond

I think we should invite them and put up some advertising. It can't hurt. It might be just what is needed.

Whose turn is it?

If we do some advertizing over there (a blog post?), maybe it’s someone else’s turn now. Otherwise it will start to look as if I’m the only person running the show.

I would

I am willing, but I am not sure if I am the best messenger of this news. If you think it'll be received well enough I can post something this evening.

No big hurry

There’s no big hurry. I often write something and then let it sit for a day or two before posting. On re-reading what I have written, I usually see things that are not clear or in any case can be said much better.

In any case, we must avoid anything that might suggest we are operating as grave robbers. It's really a matter of obtaining the best result, also for IOPS, given our limited resources.

If there are other volunteers, maybe you could work out something together.

Re: No big hurry

increasingly, i've done the same, writing something and letting it sit. sometimes a slow conversation is best. or sometimes i just take some notes and let it swirl in my head first. (winging it right now). i'm often a fairly disorganized individual surrounded by scraps of ideas. sometimes i go into a frenzy and start stringing some of it together. something for me to work on. when conversations move too fast, it often stresses me out. sometimes better if i just hand some notes over to someone better at organizing them, too.

right now, i'm feeling a strong need to spend less time on my computer. it's become unhealthy for me, neglecting some needs directly around me. most of the time, i'd rather just share a little story. there's a lot of value in just sharing ideas with awesome folks like you all, but i realize there's technical needs, too.

in part, i feel it may just be good to just slowly set a tone here, so things don't get as confusing as they did on IOPS. i believe it's been noted before that many conversations on IOPS just circled back to the same conflicts (guilty of it myself), and i've been thinking a little bit about conflict resolution. i think some soft guidelines can be helpful, not set in stone, but some ideas that can be referred to when conflicts emerge. i'll post some unorganized notes some time soon if it's something anyone else wants to work with.

on a personal level, i need to lift the weight of ownership, as well as some of the weight of the world. i've no set direction for this site anymore, and i'd rather not push for it, just use it a little.

that may not address all the questions here, but it's all i got for today :)

Bohm Dialogue

Regarding having conversations that do not lead to conflicts, are you familiar with the concept of Bohm Dialogue, referred to almost two years ago by Fred and Rick in two concurrent IOPS blogs here and here?

not as much as some

i figured that would be on the list, yes. there's also a few concepts we've used in our Seattle group, and some personal experiences in the streets that may even apply. one thought would be making a short list that can be branched off into connected conversation as a bit of a tree that allows those experienced in a particular area to 'lead' the conversation. maybe points could be extracted over time toward something more concise as an accessible, informal guide.

on writing, no big hurry,

Another story, expanding the landscape...what we are trying to do is difficult, conversation, getting together, writing, speaking, intensities, etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evT0gGJ5Oms

Cixous, Writing, ls-cwp-iops

I enjoyed hearing about Helene Cixous's writing process and her daily writing rituals. I can imagine her at her desk with scraps of paper in stacks and heaps around her, looking like a mad genius weaving together ideas and words. I especially liked the bit about how when she is writing she is in constant dialogue with twenty or so of her favorite artists and writers, living or dead and in multiple languages. It is a perpetual exchange across time space and medium. Her approach to writing and dialogue maybe a bit more complicated and less clear and logical than the Bohm Dialogue, I think they share a sort of open free-flow spirit. The video Rick posted reminds me that the approaches people take to communicate and create are very personal and idiosyncratic.
Some more thoughts...I like the idea of a conflict resolution guideline that is a liquid solidarity original pulling inspiration from great sources...I say hell yes to inviting IOPS people who want to participate over here if they're interested. It might also be a great way to do a little usability testing with fresh eyes. I'd be willing to post a blog on IOPS after we talk about it some more.

Thanks

Thanks, Alex, Lambert, Fred & Claire

"the approaches people take to communicate and create are very personal and idiosyncratic."

Yes, and that difference sometimes produces effects that take a open, calm space to integrate into the whole. It's so subtle, what we may be working with, depth is not automatic online, stopping, breathing, feeling, listening to deeper and other voices than those often habitually playing in our brains...?

DB

Thanks, Lambert for posting those links.

I posted this to IOPS recently, but maybe it is worth repeating. Nicely edited.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddngc3nhs_I

Re Re Re Re Re Thanx All

:)

LS, CWP, IOPS

Great idea Lambert, and nice of you both Fred and Claire to offer a blog at IOPS. Also enjoyed the Cixous talk on her writing process, so thanks Rick. Sorry I haven't looked in these forums (or fora as we used to say when Latin was still around as an influence on our English)for a while. Mistakenly thought they were all about software technicalities for LS and the like, about which I of course know absolutely sweet fa. Good to see some friendly conversations going on.

Does everyone think the time

Does everyone think the time is good for an invitation to IOPS?

Address Database

fine with whatever, but one thing i think should be done first is the address database update. i'll get that to you (for some others here, don't worry if you don't know what that means). but, if international folks sign up with it not set for their country it will enter their profile location incorrectly and have to be manually changed case by case.

sorry Peter lol! you are right, not all about tech, but it slips in here and there.

Please start composing

I see no reason to wait with starting to compose a text for publication on the IOPS site advertizing what we’re up to here and inviting any interested members. There is plenty of usable material for that in the CWP Google and Trello docs. We must be modest, though, and very clear that what we currently have is still only a very partial realization of what we hope to have eventually. But we can use early adopters trying out everything and signalling which missing features are the most needed.

The most important thing is to make clear that we need more developers.

I don’t expect an immediate massive inflow of IOPS members, but in any case it will be wise to have a database that is in good order. (Can’t we, in a participatory spirit, let our users fix any geographical errors they find?)

Invitation Draft

I put together a draft for an invite to IOPS members, take a peek and let me know if I should make some alterations...When you guys give me the go-ahead, I'll post it to the blog section in IOPS.
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Liquid Solidarity

We would like to invite you to participate in an exciting experiment a group of IOPS members have been putting together. The project operates with similar goals and is inspired by the same dreams and concerns as those of IOPS. The group formed a couple years ago with a small collective of IOPS members wanting to build a user-controlled website that could provide all of the facilities of IOPS and more.

The project began as a long form dialogue and at this phase, thanks to Alex, now we have a site! Reaching this wonderful stage of creative development is exciting! Now we can see the experiment taking shape through participation and building this project from the ground up. We are looking to invite IOPS members to participate in this phase of planning and experimenting with the website, discussing, testing, offering wisdom and advice and of course any development insights or assistance. We welcome people to participate in anyway they feel compelled. We wish to make the common website prefigurative and transparent in every phase of growth.

Lambert Meertens said of the project, “The process of designing, developing and maintaining the website should all operate in an open self-managing collaborative effort.” In that spirit, I want to invite you to visit the website Liquid Solidarity, the current manifestation of this wonderful experiment. Peruse, critique, wonder, exclaim, dance, sing and if you feel like becoming a member, participate. We’d love for you to join us.

Invitation Draft

Many thanks for this draft Claire, great effort, and I'd go along with most of it. Just re the first paragraph, two things. I'd change "The group formed a couple of years ago" to "formed at the beginning of last year" (Lambert started the CWP Google page 27/12/14). I'd also suggest changing "the project operates with similar goals and is inspired by the same dreams and concerns as those of IOPS" to something like the quite alternative ('dialogue') vision to IOPS (despite overlap and similarities) which we spelled out in our Requirements document (abbreviated form)and nine of us signed:

"The world is critically endangered and we are at a turning point. What we do or don’t do now will decide the future for better or (much) worse. We believe another world is possible.

There are many possible solutions to create another world, and our hope is to create a space to facilitate those solutions. We will start with a website, embracing values of social justice, participatory democracy, ecological sustainability, and international solidarity. We aim to be the go-to place for people seeking a better world as a place of interchange, dialogue and decision-making. A website that is both lively bazaar and popular assembly.

Participating groups and individuals can use the website for working together by discussing ideas, sharing insights, building resources, creating projects, organizing events, engaging in crowdfunding, reading and posting news, learning, and teaching.

The website fosters a sense of inclusiveness and community, a community that is self-managed by its users. This is your website, a commons that you take part in shaping."

All the best...P.

Draft 2.0

Thank you for those suggestions, giving us an accurate timeline. And I'm glad you mentioned that "the project operates with similar goals..." removal. I had a feeling that was a bullcrap awkward sentence and I'm glad that was confirmed. Here's the revision, Anyone have more suggestions?....

Liquid Solidarity

We would like to invite you to participate in an exciting experiment a group of IOPS members have been putting together. The group recognizes, “the world is critically endangered and we are at a turning point. What we do or don’t do now will decide the future for better or (much) worse. We believe another world is possible.” The group formed at the beginning of last year with a small collective of IOPS members wanting to build a user-controlled website that could provide all of the facilities of IOPS and more.
We agree, “there are many possible solutions to create another world, and our hope is to create a space to facilitate those solutions. We will start with a website, embracing values of social justice, participatory democracy, ecological sustainability, and international solidarity. We aim to be the go-to place for people seeking a better world as a place of interchange, dialogue and decision-making. A website that is both lively bazaar and popular assembly.”
At this phase of progress, thanks to Alex, we now have a site! Reaching this wonderful stage of creative development is exciting! Now we can see the experiment taking shape through participation and building this project from the ground up. We are looking to invite IOPS members to participate in this phase of planning and experimenting with the website, testing, offering wisdom and advice and of course any development insights or assistance. We welcome people to participate in anyway they feel compelled.
“Participating groups and individuals can use the website for working together by discussing ideas, sharing insights, building resources, creating projects, organizing events, engaging in crowd-funding, reading and posting news, learning, and teaching.
The website fosters a sense of inclusiveness and community, a community that is self-managed by its users. This is your website, a commons that you take part in shaping."
In that spirit, I want to invite you to visit the website Liquid Solidarity, the current manifestation of this wonderful experiment. Peruse, critique, wonder, exclaim, dance, sing and if you feel like becoming a member, participate. We’d love for you to join us.

Draft 2.0

Much better, thanks Claire! Maybe first sentence should use the word 'website' to make things immediately clear, e.g.: "...in an exciting website experiment..." (or 'website project' instead of 'experiment'?)Thanks again for your efforts, Peter

Draft 2.0

I prefer “project” to “experiment”.

Instead of “IOPS members”, we should say, “IOPS members and ex-members”.

Can the text be rewritten without quote signs? Since the prospective readers do not know where these phrases come from, the quote signs may appear inexplicable. There is also the vision statement of LS itself.

As far as I’m concerned we could be more explicit that we hope this project will eventually deliver a new and better home for IOPS, but that the team needs more developers on deck to work on the actual construction.

Draft 3

I hear you Peter and Lambert. I prefer website experiment over project in this context partially because I don’t want it to be confused as an IOPS project. I think the word experiment gets at a more light hearted and free-flexible-fun approach that I was hoping for in this invitation. The idea of an experiment also lets the invitees know from the onset that this is not a finished product and there is room for them to join and be a part of shaping this project. That being said, I will cut the experiment website bit and if you folks think of a more suitable synonym or replacement idea for that thought, please let me know. I am also worried the last invitation got a bit too wordy and unclear. We don’t need to give everyone the whole story just an idea, enough to peak their interest so they might take a look. I’m worried if we give them too much literature at the beginning, we might appear to be unfriendly to new additions. I am going to take a more friendly, brief and accessible approach with this draft. And by all means, anyone who wants to take a stab at an alternate draft, please go for it and I won’t be offended. Here goes Draft #3…

Liquid Solidarity

We are a group of IOPS members and ex-members and we would like to invite you to participate in a new website. It is still under construction, but it is inching its way to be what we imagined. The bones of a functioning website are there and reaching this wonderful stage of creative development is exciting! Now we can see our website project taking shape through participation and building from the ground up. We are looking to invite IOPS members to participate in this phase of planning and experimenting with the website, discussing, testing, offering wisdom and advice and most especially any web development assistance. If you are a web designer we badly want your skills at this time. Mostly though, we welcome people to participate in anyway they feel compelled.

Our little group formed at the beginning of last year with a collective of IOPS members wanting to build a user-controlled website that could provide all of the facilities of IOPS and much more. We aim to be the go-to place for people seeking a better world as a place of interchange, dialogue and decision-making. We want a website that fosters a true sense of inclusiveness and community, a community that is self-managed by its users. This is our website, a commons that we all take part in shaping. We are living at a critical and endangered time of history where what we do or don’t do collectively will shape our future world. We are at a turning point and we, as a group, believe another world is possible.

Of course there are many possible solutions to create another world and we can’t wait to hear all your ideas. The particular world we seek is rooted in social justice, ecological sustainability, participatory democracy and international solidarity. Our hope is to create a space to facilitate those solutions. In that spirit, I want to invite you to visit the website Liquid Solidarity, the current manifestation of this wonderful collaborative effort. Peruse, critique, wonder, exclaim, dance, sing and if you feel like becoming a member, participate. We’d love for you to join us.

Draft 3

Again, I think this is fine, Claire, so thank you again. Maybe the 'IOPS members and ex-members' just needs to be repeated in para 2 ('a collective of...') for consistency's sake. Dunno about 'wonderful' (collaborative effort), personally would just cut the word, but it's your feeling and call. Ditto with 'dance, sing', which I find hard to do on a website, but I get your wish for some enthusiasm/passion, fun and frolicking...Warm regards...

Fine

Thanks, Claire. I think the text is fine now.

What’s the situation with the address database?

Address database

I haven't heard anymore about the database yet, and I am not sure the issue exactly. I am of the mind though that it can probably be repaired as we move along after posting up an invitation if everyone is happy with it.

IOPS invitation to LS

I posted the invitation to IOPS in the blog section. I hope you all are partially satisfied with the final draft. It's hard to get everyone's ideas together without sounding like a messy muddy word golem. You can check it out and if you want to add anything to the comments, do so.

Thanks

Thanks, Claire. Let’s hope some people will bite.

Thanks

Thanks again, Claire.

Judging by the lack of activity, conversation, on both LS and (as usual since at least 2014) at IOPS, judging by the complete lack of interest that our much worked-on and translated proposal for a global dialogue website occasioned on the part of the many groups we contacted, I think we gradually need to look facts in the eye and ask ourselves whether the whole notion of a global dialogue website for activists might either be premature or non-viable on principle for various possible reasons...

Lack of interest in a global dialogue website

Over a year ago I started work on a comparison table, meant for the envisaged common website and a few other, comparable website projects. As a preparation, I started to condense the 56-item wish list from the Survey on Common Website Requirements into something more manageable. In the process of attempting to do so, it dawned on me that the wish list as presented was unreasonably detailed. In hindsight, I fear it it may have created a strange impression. In any case, the request to assign a score to all these sometimes very particular items represented an undue demand on the time of the prospective surveyees. It must have been a contributing factor to the lack of enthusiastic responses.

While this problem could be avoided in a next attempt, I see a more structural problem that makes a dialogue between organizations very difficult in practice. A dialogue is only meaningful if you are prepared to change your positions in light of the contributions of other participants. What does it take for an organization to change its positions? It is a common thing to assign motives and opinions to organizations. But in actuality, such motives and opinions are formulated and expressed by people, human beings who are in charge at these organizations. Unless they are autocrats, you cannot expect people in charge of an organization to change the positions of their organization without a time-consuming consultation process.

Multi-pronged Approach

I think you are right, Peter, this global dialogue group is premature. And I think you are right, Lambert, it was asking too much of people. Looking the facts in the eye, this is all true. I also can’t deny we have some great people working together and that is a huge asset. I think IOPS and Liquid Solidarity are on the right path, but maybe there is more groundwork to do before we can jump to where we want to be.

I've been helping to put a few projects together with Fred and some others. I think these projects can help achieve the goal we are hoping for, but go at it from a different angle. We put together a little collective called Anarchimedia. We have built up to 7,000-10,000 followers across multiple social media platforms. We want to use this growing platform in several ways. One of them being popularizing anything you guys want to say. We have an audience that is receptive to what we share. We'd like to share any of your blogs, for example, anything you write that you don't have a place for or want another place for. Or any article anyone thinks is important or any news story that needs more attention, anything you want people to see or promote, we want to help you guys do that. Whether it be something like Liquid Solidarity or a passion project or a simple idea. Now that Liquid Solidarity has started with invitations and is opening up, Anarchimedia can start promoting LS and we should all talk about what that should look like (branding, images, tag lines, phrasing).

We can help with anything you all want to do. If any of you would like to do an interview or a talk, Anarchimedia has a youtube channel and Fred will get stoned and talk to you about whatever you want to talk about and we'll publish and promote it. Maybe we can use this platform to interview people you are involved with or curious about or from other groups we may want to bring into the fold, a sort of back door. I don't think we should focus on the short comings of any particular project and we should use it as an opportunity to turn into a bigger monster :). You can check out what we have on Twitter @Anarchimedia and the Anarchimedia page Facebook and Anarchimedia@wordpress.com

I also helped put together several spin-off side projects from Anarchimedia and I think these also maybe of service in terms of expanding the range of people we can reach. One project, using the name Mutiny on Spaceship Earth for now, will be holding weekly talks twice on Saturday beginning October 22nd. The hope of these talks is to bring together a unique and diverse group of people who wouldn't otherwise come together to talk about how to bring about the revolution or making a better world. You can check out MOSE at on Twitter @mutinyonearth or join the Facebook group Mutiny on Spaceship Earth or mutinyonspaceshipearth@wordpress.com

You are free to join and invite anyone you want. The talks will not be recorded but we will take notes on what was discussed. Fred or I will post a few blogs detailing these projects and a few more projects that we’ve started that might be interesting and helpful to the cause.

Maybe we have been coming at this global dialogue group, IOPS and all of it from the wrong direction but maybe it's some kind of greater alchemic process and no singular site will accomplish what we want and we need a multi-pronged approach.

Link correction to previous post

I gave the wordpress emails instead of links to the site, my bad. They are anarchimedia.wordpress.com and mutinyonspaceshipearth.wordpress.com

multiprong

Hi Claire, Lambert. Impressed by your two wordpress projects, Claire and Fred. Not sure how they can be all that different to LS at this stage, except for your having more than double the number of followers than IOPS has? Are these followers more active than the few at LS or IOPS do you reckon?

I think you maybe get to the real core of things in your last paragraph: "Maybe we have been coming at this global dialogue group, IOPS and all of it from the wrong direction but maybe it's some kind of greater alchemic process and no singular site will accomplish what we want and we need a multi-pronged approach."

It's precisely this kind of stepping back from our more or less failed attempts at IOPS and LS and trying to find a wider perspective than we have hitherto, which I think is now necessary. Thinking about this global, online and offline, 'greater alchemical process' and not just 'singular sites', however well-intentioned... Multi-perspectivity, internet as 'global brain' and 'emergence' of a different system, 'one no/many yeses' etc...

multiprong 2

Just as an old fogey not wishing to spend his life online, and at the risk of a bit of generation-gapping, it's going to take a hell of a lot for me to overcome my dislike of Twitter and Fakebook...

Prongs

Hey Peter,
The Wordpress sites are at a bare minimum right now. Those definitely don't have the engagement of long dialogue as in LS or IOPS. The twitter and facebook followers for Anarchimedia are much more active though. I'd say we have about 50 or so very active followers and a lot more that seem to come to us for news and media to share. I compare this to 7 or so active here and maybe 15 active in IOPS. But again, We don't have the long deep conversations that sometimes happen at LS or IOPS. Twitter and Facebook are suited for tiny nuggets of information. They are like billboards and a way to get eyes on projects.
I shared your aversion to Facebook and Twitter. I still think FB is creepy, but now I love Twitter. I loved it a little too much and was spending whole days locked into the screen. So, I had to take a step back and now Fred is handling the social media mostly and he has managed to accomplish more in less time than I was. If you don't have an obsessive personality, I recommend Twitter, it's really cool. When I was more active I felt really aware of everything that was happening in the world, I would read a newspaper or watch the news and it would be about what people were talking about two days ago on Twitter.
Something interesting to note is the demographics of our followers are similar to IOPS Members. Anarchimedia has more men than women, 61% to 39%. 25-34 year olds make up the largest age group. 49% of our followers live in USA, 12% in the United Kingdom, 5% Canada, 4% India, 3% Spain, followed by Australia, France, Germany, Turkey and Greece at 2% respectively. Our followers are not the super rich, but they are relatively high income earners and the analytics tells me our followers mostly buy premium brands.
So, it is interesting, some of the same issues of imbalanced demographics IOPS has struggled with also exist for Anarchimedia. And is this some kind of common thread or just the nature of what the content attracts? I don't know.

Multiprongity

I’m in favour of anything that can rally more people to come together in order to ensure a livable future.

A few polyechmological remarks (: polyechmology is the science of multi-pronged approaches :)

(1) As I’ve written on the IOPS blog, Elements for a strategy, I believe that we need to raise the consciousness among activists (including aspiring ones) that they are in fact not alone, but that we are all in this together, all part of one large global movement working towards the same goals. Therefore it is important that the various prongs present themselves as being part of that movement. (I saw that MutnyOnSpaceshpEarth (@MutinyOnEarth) liked a tweet from IOPS.)

(2) We all have a limited time available for activism. How do we achieve lasting results? It may be better to concentrate one’s efforts on doing a few things well and for a sustained period than dissipate them over lots of things.

(3) At the very least, we should try to share content (like how I re-used my guest post on Titas’ blog and reposted it on the IOPS blog).

Alchemy

Hi everyone,

FWIW:

There seems to be some movement toward getting wide view on what is taking place here, on IOPS, in the sites Claire and Fred are working on, and perhaps even including ZNET, etc. etc.

It seems that some of that perspective may emerge after an event has taken place, a kind of looking back when something was attempted and seeing it from a new perspective.

Lambert wrote, "we are all in this together, all part of one large global movement..."

Peter said, "maybe it's some kind of greater alchemic process..."

Claire said, "maybe there is more groundwork to do before we can jump..."

Who is the we?
What is the alchemic process?
What is the groundwork?

Can we maybe allow that we don't know the answers to these questions?
Even if we do know the answers, can we sit with them for a little bit and perhaps let an answer come (rather than thinking the answers we have already are the right ones?)
Might staying with these questions be some of the groundwork?

Might we need to start mapping our own territory? Can we understand the doorways, rooms, encounters, collisions and flows we are creating? Are we on the same mapping, can we see together? Perhaps we are like a hundred folks on a journey with 100 different maps each subtly cancelling each other out or not understanding how to move together when we are moving together?

Can we think radically about ourselves? Can we deeply question the way we've moved up until this moment? Can we see what it is "we are all in together", together?

"It’s creating the conditions whereby we can embark on a way of life that is not dictated by our instinctive reactivity, our habits, our fears, and so forth and so on, but stems from an openness, an inner openness, that is unconditioned by those forces, and that allows the freedom to think differently, to act differently, to respond more fully." Stephen Batchelor

Might this be part of the groundwork, "before the jump?"

Warmest regards,

Rick

Can we try and think together?

Negri: How can minority becoming be powerful?

How can resistance become an insur­rection ?
....

Is there then, some way for the resistance of the oppressed to become effective, and for what's intolerable to be definitively removed?

Is there some way for the mass of singularities and atoms that we all are to come forward as a constitutive power, or must we rather accept the juridical paradox that con­stitutive power can be defined only by constituted power?

Deleuze: The difference between minorities and majorities isn't their size. A minority may be bigger than a majority. What defines the majority is a model you have to conform to: the average European adult male city-dweller, for example ... A minority, on the other hand, has no model, it's a becoming, a process.

One might say the majority is nobody. Everybody's caught, one way or another, in a minority becoming that would lead them info unknown paths if they opted to follow it through. When a 'minority creates models for itself, it's because it wants to become a majority, and probably has to, to survive or prosper (to have a state, be recognized, establish its rights, for example).

But its power comes from what it's managed to create, which to some extent goes into the model, but doesn't depend on it. A people is always a creative minority, and remains one even when it acquires a majority it can be both at once because the two things aren't lived out on the same plane.

It's the greatest artists (rather than populist artists) who invoke a people, and find they "lack a people": Mallarme, Rimbaud, Klee, Berg. The Straubs in cinema. Artists can only invoke a people, their need for one goes to the very heart of what they're doing, it's not their job to create one, and they can't. Art is resistance: it resists death, slavery, infamy, shame.

But a people can't worry about art. How is a people created, through what terrible suf­fering? When a people's created, it's through its own resources, but in a way that links up with something in art (Garrel says there's a mass of terrible suffering in the Louvre, too) or links up art to what it lacked. Utopia isn't the right concept: it's more a question of a "tabulation" in which a people and art both share.

solla sollew and salutations

Helloooo!

Invitations Participation and Prongs

firstly, thanks Claire for putting together the invite. i see it was posted on IOPS and have only skimmed comments earlier today. i’ve been pretty anti-online activity recently and trying to work with some other life things.

but the rainy season is here and i’ll be drawing indoors a bit more, finding some time for LiqSol. i suppose i’ve been grappling a bit with the idea of continued effort on this experiment, but i’m a bit of a pendulum, can’t always trust my feelings during one period of time until the gears have turned long enough to shift and experience that next swing.

and sometimes i get to thinking a bit too far ahead on this project or other things, and it takes a bit to give way to finding comfort in the small, and enjoyment of the process. goals can be overrated. but as Luke Cage says, always forward. and ya know, sometimes appropriate to take a step back to move forward.

on the right path? my knee jerk reaction is HA! but then, can you ever really be off your path? i took a personal break and have returned to find constructive discussions about the site, and some blogs and comments i’m also looking forward to reading. i conclude we’re still here and there is indeed groundwork to be done. ever groundwork here or there as life allows and calls.

“Fred will get stoned and talk to you about whatever you want to talk about” is a nice tagline ;)

for me for now, i’ll be poking around the site, following up on a couple things this next little bit. reading what i’ve missed.

cheers, nice to see y’all

back in the ussr

good to see ya back camerado!